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Vice President Mike Pence visits two San Diego naval bases. Also, a new California bill aims to raise electric car rebates, the San Diego gang commission recommends ending controversial gang injunctions, California Latino-families face hurdles reaching the middle class, a local archive space in University Heights is home to much of San Diego’s LGBTQ history, how the Stonewall riots influenced San Diego’s LGBTQ history, and challenging inequality in one of California’s most divided cities.

Speaker 1: 00:00 Vice President Mike Pence is in San Diego. He and his wife Karen arrived in town last night to begin a tour of military sites and attend a fundraiser. Pence is not scheduled to visit the border. The vice president will be speaking this hour aboard the US Coast Guard Cutter Monroe at the naval air station in Coronado and that’s about a major seizure of illegal drugs. KPBS reporter Matt Hoffman is also onboard the Monroe and he joins us now. And Matt, welcome.

Speaker 2: 00:29 Hi Maureen.

Speaker 1: 00:30 Now, what is the vice president expected to do and talk about while he’s on the Monroe?

Speaker 2: 00:36 Yes, so the vice president is expected to speak sometime around 1230 this afternoon here at naval air station North Island. Basically the coast guard along with a bunch of other federal agencies are offloading more than 39,000 pounds of cocaine and marijuana that was seized in the eastern Pacific. And now a lot of this I’ve been told is, are happening around near Florida. It’s unclear of what exactly pence will be speaking about. Uh, we do have a hint though. A coastguard news release did mentioned that the ongoing about the ongoing fight against the drug cartels in the eastern Pacific, which he may touch on

Speaker 1: 01:05 now. Is this the vice president’s first visit to San Diego since taking office?

Speaker 2: 01:10 Yeah, this, this will be the vice president’s first visit since he and President Donald Trump did, did take office. Uh, he wasn’t Calexico though. Uh, last year, uh, near the border, speaking about, uh, immigration issues

Speaker 1: 01:22 and says visit here in San Diego is part of a statewide tour. Talk to us a little bit about that.

Speaker 2: 01:29 Yeah, he’s been in California for a couple of days. He was in Lamar, California yesterday for a Trump, a reelection campaign event. Then he visited a farm talking about the U S Mexico Canada trade agreement and how it’s a good deal for American workers on Twitter. He’s calling this visit Hashtag us mc nowaday and we actually have some tape of what he said there yesterday.

Speaker 3: 01:48 But I wanted to come here to California here in the San Joaquin Valley because you all understand the global impact of our agricultural economy and the need to have a trade deal here with our neighbors to the north and the south. That really puts American agriculture first and that’s exactly what we’ve done.

Speaker 1: 02:05 Okay. So, uh, the vice president has stayed at the Hilton Bay Front Hotel last night and, uh, that baby Trump balloon was inflated in front of the hotel this morning. Is Penson countering any protests that you know about in Coronado?

Speaker 2: 02:21 Yeah, Morgan. So right now we are pretty deep inside the naval base. There’s no civilians who are allowed in, in this area. Um, we are by the water. I don’t see any boats in the water with the protesters or anything. Uh, we had to arrive here pretty early and we got here around eight o’clock and there wasn’t anybody outside protesting with any signs. Uh, I’m not exactly sure right now if there’s anybody near the front of the naval base. Uh, but there’s really no indication. I don’t think that, uh, the, uh, vice president is going to be speaking here. So I don’t know if there’s any right now, there weren’t any this morning.

Speaker 1: 02:48 Okay. So where else is the pen going to visit where he, when he, while he’s here in San Diego?

Speaker 2: 02:55 Yeah, he’s going to obviously tour, uh, this, uh, US Coast Guard cutter here at Naval Air Station, North Island. And then after this, uh, there’s a campaign event, uh, that he’s going to be speaking at a reelection campaign event for him and Donald Trump. That’s going to be some time later this evening. And then he’s actually going to be, uh, on a plane heading to Texas.

Speaker 1: 03:14 Have there been any questions raised about why pence is not visiting the US Mexico border while he’s here?

Speaker 2: 03:21 Yeah, so the vice president is not scheduled to visit the US Mexico border while he’s here in San Diego, but part of his three day trip, he’s actually visiting, obviously California, and then he’s heading to Texas. He’s going to be tomorrow, he said on Twitter, uh, visiting the border down in Texas, uh, potentially some of these migrant detention facilities. Uh, I haven’t heard any criticism, um, of why that is. We may have a chance to ask the vice president, um, after he speaks today, why he, why he’s not visiting the border down here, but he is scheduled to visit a border, uh, tomorrow in Texas.

Speaker 1: 03:51 Okay. So San Diego Anne’s might encounter a motorcade on the roads today as the vice president goes from one point to another. When is he leaving town? Do we know?

Speaker 2: 04:02 You know, it’s unclear exactly when he’s leaving town. I know he, like I said, he will be in Texas tomorrow. I don’t know if that means that his flight is, uh, is, is leaving later this evening or if it’s leaving tomorrow morning. Uh, but you’re right, he will be on the roads. He is going to be going to a campaign fundraiser and obviously, yes, I get his meals, so he, he’ll definitely be on the road. Uh, so if you see it, take some photos.

Speaker 1: 04:24 I’m in speaking with KPBS reporter Matt Hoffman. Thank you so much. Thanks, Maureen.

Speaker 4: 04:34 Uh.

Speaker 1: 00:00 How does a rebate of up to $7,500 sound for buying an electric vehicle? Well, a San Francisco lawmakers bill assembly bill 10 46 could triple the rebate given for purchasing a zero emissions car. The bill is an effort to help California meet its greenhouse gas reduction goals to find climate change. And as part of our coverage for the KPBS climate change desk, California state assembly men fill teen, the bill’s author joins me now from the floor of the state legislature. Phil, welcome.

Speaker 2: 00:30 Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 00:31 So tell us more about how the current clean car rebates work and how they would change under your proposal.

Speaker 2: 00:37 Well, she won’t clean cars. You need clean air. And right now we have a goal to get to 5 million clean cars by 2030 and we’re only at 600,000 so we need to make some serious changes. And the reason we need to make those changes is because we have very strict greenhouse gas emission goals to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions. Unfortunately in transportation, which is 40% of those emissions, they’ve been going up not down like every other sector and 80% of that 40% is passenger vehicles. And so most of the emissions within the transportation sector comes from you and me driving to work you meet, go to the grocery store, dropping our kids off at school. So we have to change consumer behavior on clean cars. What we’ve seen is two major things are moving consumers on clean cars, which is one the carpal stickers and the amount of the rebates. We are very concerned because the federal government is reducing the tax credits for the two most popular clean cars in California. The test amount of three and the Chevy Bolt, e v so part of our proposal is to really just try to keep pace with the loss of that federal tax credit. In d c they have a $7,500 tax credit, don’t be going away very soon

Speaker 1: 01:55 and the bill doesn’t exactly a set the amount of the rebates. How would those rebates then be determined?

Speaker 2: 02:02 Well, what we ask is we ask the air resource board to really develop a plan so we give them some flexibility. They don’t think they’ll be, they should be higher than 7,500 but they could definitely say, hey, we don’t need that higher rebate. We could go lower, use the money better and we want those rebates to be declining over time right now, but rebate for California is 2,500 today at 2,500 tomorrow. There’s not really much of an incentive to move today when people know that the rebate is going to be going down. That becomes an incentive for people to change their behavior and to do something. So what we believe should happen is you set a higher rebate level that’s declined over time as we hit certain targets

Speaker 1: 02:44 and my understanding right now is that there is a waiting list because the rebate funds run out. How would your bill address that dilemma?

Speaker 2: 02:51 The bill asked to every sport to have a plan and then what we do is based on that plan, identify how much money we would need to yet in order to fund this program for a number of years. What are the ideas that we had thought is if we could borrow some money up front or securitize money up front and then pay it back over time, this would allow us to really heavily invest in the early years of the program. 50 years one, two and three and watch that investment decline over time as more and more people adopt in cars.

Speaker 1: 03:24 And currently there’s a $1,500 rebate for hybrids. Would hybrid still be eligible for those rebates

Speaker 2: 03:30 at this time? Yes. What I imagined is as money gets tighter and as technology gets better, they may get phased out over time. But at this point, the hybrids that plug in hybrids that get over 25 miles, 25 miles per charge [inaudible]

Speaker 1: 03:50 and as you mentioned earlier, California’s goal is to have 5 million zero emissions vehicles on the road by the year 2030 where are we in terms of meeting that goal?

Speaker 2: 04:00 Well, we’re still very far. We are at 600,000 vehicles now. We’ve made significant progress and we’ve made progress with very few cars to be able to purchase right now. If you think the most popular vehicles for people to buy our trucks, minivans and SUV is, and you can’t get a clean card any of those. So as more and more quick clean cars get offered in those types of bottles, I imagined adoption will increase even more.

Speaker 1: 04:24 Do you think cost is a major barrier for car shoppers?

Speaker 2: 04:27 Absolutely. And costs right now, it’s very cost right now high. It’s very typical that when technology is first in its early adoption phase that the costs are higher than the typical. Some other typical technology. But what you see is once people move up to that technology, you see that price come down over time. I remember a time when calculators used to cost $500 a, I remember a time when you know, cell phones just to cost, you know, 500 or a thousand dollars just for a very basic cell phones. Again, as more and more people bought, calculators bought cell phones, we saw over time that price come down significantly. Same thing with personal computers. I think Quinn Carson’s going to follow that same price trajectory

Speaker 1: 05:10 and your bill would prohibit the California air resources and control board from raising taxes or using vehicle fees to pay for the program. So how would the state pay for that program?

Speaker 2: 05:20 Well, bring out the state pays for it. Out of our greenhouse gas reduction from $200 million a year to greenhouse gas reduction fund is paid for by people who pull in the industries that pollute, put money into a fund. And that fund is used to go over to screencasts. And so, uh, we can under seek to have a greater greater funding out of that fund or we can identify other types of funds to go after as well.

Speaker 1: 05:45 I’m curious if you own a clean energy car you bought

Speaker 2: 05:49 up doesn’t it for over two years? I got it when they first started offering it in California and an ecstatic. I love my car. I love my car.

Speaker 1: 05:58 And a couple of years ago you proposed banning all gas powered cars. Do you think that’s still a good idea?

Speaker 2: 06:03 Yeah, I think absolutely down the road that was a, what we did is you wanted to ban any new gas cars after 2014 and what you see as since we introduced that legislation years ago, more and more countries have followed suit. You have England, you have France, you have Norway, you have India. Um, you have China and Germany talking about the more and more companies and more countries. Absolutely going in that direction and I believe at some point we definitely need to move in that direction as well.

Speaker 1: 06:33 I have been speaking with state assemblyman filled ting. Phil. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 06:36 Thank you

Speaker 1: 06:37 for more coverage from the KPBS climate change desk. Go to kpbs.org back slash climate change.

Speaker 3: 06:44 Okay.

Speaker 1: 00:00 For two decades. Law enforcement in San Diego have used a tool called a gang injunction to limit the activities and travel of people they believe to be members of gangs, but critics have questioned their effectiveness and fairness. Now the San Diego Commission on gang prevention and intervention has recommended an end to all gang injunctions in the city following the lead of cities like Los Angeles and Oakland KPBS reporter Max Rivlin Adler has been covering this story and joins us with more Max, thanks for being here. Thank you. Take us back to 1997 when they first started issuing these injunctions. What was happening and how were these injunctions supposed to help?

Speaker 2: 00:38 The injunctions are part of a larger nationwide trend to really crack down on what law enforcement perceived as gang criminal activity. Crime had been rising steadily since the 1970s and especially in cities like San Diego. You were seeing higher violent crime rates, so they were kind of looking at every tool in their toolbox as it were to stop people from being able to associate with other individuals that they believed were members of gangs. This was also part of a larger nationwide, um, focus and possible hysteria on gangs because, uh, one didn’t necessarily correlate to another when it came to violent crime.

Speaker 1: 01:18 So the gang injunctions kept people out of certain neighborhoods. What else did they do?

Speaker 2: 01:23 So the rules are you are confined to a certain area that you are not allowed to associate with people in certain areas. So you have instances where people were unable to go to maybe their cousin’s birthday party because they would be associating with people in a specific area. A, you’re not allowed to where quote unquote, where gained clothes. So that’s again, up to law enforcement decide what our clothes, whether there’s certain colors like that. Uh, if you’re a juvenile, you had to abide by a certain curfew. Uh, you couldn’t make loud noises. So it was really all of these behaviors that they considered to be somehow associating you with gang activity, even though we know that a lot of those things are just part of daily life.

Speaker 1: 02:04 So how did they identify people to put on the gang injunction list?

Speaker 2: 02:08 So the injunctions were part of these kind of long indictments where they would list um, you know, 20 to 30 to 40. Even sometimes you know well into the dozens of people and saying all of these people belong to the specific gang. We’re going to point you to their criminal activity and for the duration of this injunction, which we will give no end date to, they will not be able to associate with one another. This is our way of breaking up the gangs. And if they were to defy this injunction, well they could face jail time, they could face a civil penalty, a things like that. So it was their way of trying to break apart what were either gangs or social networks.

Speaker 1: 02:49 Here we are more than 20 years later. Did that actually help

Speaker 2: 02:52 the effectiveness of the gang injunctions is arguable. We don’t know. We don’t know whether there’s any correlation between the gang led to a decrease in crime. We know that over the past 20 years in the United States that crime has plummeted and that San Diego just last year was deemed the safest big city in America. When it comes to violent crime, it also had the lowest murder rate of the country’s 10 largest cities. So it’s really tough to actually tie law enforcement activities to correlate with these actual global trends that are, um, violent crime is just rapidly decreasing. It’s unclear whether they were effective, but what we do know is that they were incredibly effective at limiting what these people could do or who they could associate with.

Speaker 1: 03:38 So the San Diego Commission on gang prevention and intervention passed a resolution to end all gang injunctions in the city. What led to that decision

Speaker 2: 03:46 for a few years now, members of the commission have been questioning the effectiveness of these gang injunctions, especially now that for the most part, they are 15 years old, especially in the city of San Diego. So these are impacting individuals who are in their late thirties, early forties, especially if you know they were, were teenagers when these injunctions came down, just from a pure sociology standpoint, they’ve aged out of committing violent crimes if they were in the first place. And you bought a clip with you about this, right? Yeah. So this is a Genevieve Jones, right? She’s a commissioner on the commission who brought the motion that led to the recommendation here was her explanation of gang injunctions inadequacies.

Speaker 3: 04:26 They haven’t used gang injunctions for a very long time and our gang membership is down, gang crime is down and violent crime is down. And so there is no point to having gang injunctions on the books that only serve to harass people, to keep people from certain neighborhoods and being with their families and also in some cases from having good employment and housing.

Speaker 1: 04:53 Genevieve Jones, right ran for district attorney. Summer. Stephan won that last election. But Max, I want to know from you how many people are under gang injunctions in San Diego. So as of yet

Speaker 2: 05:03 18 and the city of San Diego in the county of San Diego, there was 788 people. The district attorney has been slowly removing people from that list. They’ve been arguing a much slower approach. So there have been 332 people were removed earlier this year from the list. That’s county wide. Uh, we don’t really have a, a number of how many people have been removed in the city of San Diego, which is what the commission and the city council has jurisdiction over. But the number remains in the hundreds. And again, these are people who have been living under these injunctions for well over a decade.

Speaker 1: 05:36 What’s the demographic of the gang injunction list?

Speaker 2: 05:39 So the foreign junctions in the city of San Diego are centered on southeast San Diego as well as Linda Vista going down the names overwhelmingly, if not exclusively. These are black and Latino individuals who are placed on the list.

Speaker 1: 05:53 How much of the population in San Diego does that demographic?

Speaker 2: 05:57 San Diego is around 30% Hispanic, Latino, and around 6% black. So obviously a large disparity there.

Speaker 1: 06:05 You saying the last 15 years there haven’t been any more gang injunctions issued. How has that impacted gang activity? Has San Diego seen a rise or fall and gang crime within that time period?

Speaker 2: 06:16 Right. So the, there has not been a gang injunction in the city of San Diego over the past 15 years. And again, all of the, uh, criminal statistics that San Diego keeps show a marked decrease in violent crime, um, and, and gang activities is way down. There are less last year, less identified gang members this year as there were last year. And that’s been trending down for, for well over a decade.

Speaker 1: 06:41 And what has district attorney Summer Stephan said about the commission’s recommendation

Speaker 2: 06:45 cause she voted against it and that sh because she’s also a member of the commission, but that she’s going to stick with the review on a case by case basis. Her office said in a, uh, emailed KPBS and said that 97 people on the list had been arrested between September, 2017 and September, 2018. But arresting somebody who doesn’t really note the severity of it, especially because these are areas that do face, um, disproportionate policing. We know that they are focused in these areas. And so what happens next? So the San Diego Commission on gang prevention and intervention clearly makes recommendations. They don’t have the authority to actually unilaterally take action on this. A, all of the recommendations goes to, um, the public safety. And Livable neighborhoods committee, which is chaired by Monica Montgomery at the city council. Her office told us that the recommendation has not been docketed yet, but they expect to hear from the commission this fall and that will most likely be brought up then and then it will be up to council woman, Montgomery and other members of the city council on whether to take action or not.

Speaker 1: 07:52 All right. I’ve been speaking with KPBS reporter Max Rivlin Adler. Max, thanks for joining us. Thank you.

Speaker 1: 00:00 California’s Latino middle class is expanding, but many families still struggle. The census says 17% of California’s Latino population is still below the federal poverty line and traditional paths to financial stability are becoming increasingly difficult today. In the second of two stories for the California dream collaborations, k p CC’s, Leslie Berenstein Rojas introduces us to a family for whom the dream remains out of reach.

Speaker 2: 00:31 About a hundred people are waiting for groceries at the first Christian Church in Downey. It’s a Saturday morning when the church does its weekly food giveaway. The hall is packed. Jeanette Perez sits on a folding chair. Her baby boy in her lap, her six year old son plays a couple of feet away. It’s their first time here. I was told through my job that they were donating food here at the church. Do I came by to see what they could give me a, since we’re struggling right now, especially after I’ve just had the baby Perez and her husband both work, he installs car stereos. She works in nutrition at a headstart preschool, but even with two incomes, they’re just scraping by. It gets to her. It’s really difficult. Our Brennan’s like 1375 and our car payment is, you know, almost $500 so we can’t afford anything right now. The hole is filled with families in similar circumstances. The wages are too low. They say the rent is too high. Some like Perez live in nearby communities. Others live right here in Downey. A city regarded as a haven for the Latino middle class, but it isn’t that for everyone, especially these days.

Speaker 3: 01:42 The California of today does not hold the same kinds of opportunities that it did 30 years ago.

Speaker 2: 01:49 USC sociologist Jodie, ages by year hose says some of the very opportunities that allowed previous generations of Latinos to reach middle class status in California are becoming more elusive. It used to be saving up and buying property was one of the main ways that dino families built wealth. Even on modest incomes these days, it’s harder to do. While the median income for us Latinos is going up in California, it’s not nearly enough.

Speaker 3: 02:15 It’s not just the fact that home ownership costs are high. Even just having to pay high rents can prevent people from saving to buy a home

Speaker 2: 02:23 waiting for her groceries. Jeanette Perez says she wishes her family could afford a home of their own so my children can have somewhere to live, so they won’t struggle the way we did, but it feels out of reach. She says with your overhead, they just can’t save. Neither she nor her husband have a college degree. Their wages are unsteady. Perez says this summer will be tough because she won’t get paid until school starts. Cal State Fullerton, sociologist Anthony [inaudible]. Russ says unreliable hours are also a big problem for Latinos in lower earning jobs.

Speaker 3: 02:54 We still do see high levels of what we would call income volatility hours.

Speaker 2: 03:00 They get cut from week to week or month to month, make it hard to accumulate savings. Other obstacles, many Latinos, especially the first generation are underbanked. They lack access to credit. As for the second generation, extended family obligations can eat into their finances. Let’s say

Speaker 3: 03:17 your brother or sister has had a mishap with their car and they need three new tires.

Speaker 2: 03:24 If you earn more money, your expected to help out, he says, and then you can fall behind. Also, for some, there’s a very big obstacle. Legal status. The population of unauthorized immigrants in the u s has declined, but getting legal status has gotten more difficult with the pathways to the middle class becoming rockier will future generations of California’s Latino families have a harder time cracking the ceiling by your process? Maybe, but there’s also reason for hope. California has immigrant friendly laws. It’s enacted recent policies like raising the minimum wage and expanding healthcare, widening the social safety net if we can make it

Speaker 3: 04:02 and accessible for all. If we can invest in things like access to capital and helping to ease people’s housing burdens, all of those things could really help to promote economic stability.

Speaker 2: 04:16 Before she left with her groceries, Jeanette Perez told me she and her husband have thought about leaving the state, but they realized they’re better off than some Californians, and I told my husband, you know what? We at least have somewhere to live, and they’re grateful for that. In Downey, I’m Leslie Berenstein Rojas.

Speaker 4: 04:39 [inaudible].
Speaker 1: 00:00 This weekend. The San Diego Pride Festival celebrates pride and respect for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender communities here and across the world. KPBS reporter Claire [inaudible] found a local archive space that stores LGBTQ history, including artifacts of discrimination the community has overcome.

Speaker 2: 00:20 This is the archives. We, this is our little mini exhibit area.

Speaker 1: 00:24 Walter Meyer welcomes visitors to the lambda archives.

Speaker 2: 00:28 We are the LGBTQ historical society of San Diego. Um, we collect, preserve, and teach the history of San Diego and imperial counties in northern Baja, California. Mexico

Speaker 1: 00:40 Meyer is the manager of the archives, which officially opened its doors as a nonprofit back in 1987. Right away, visitors to the archives are greeted with a big variety of memorabilia from an all leather outfit worn by the singer Rob Helford, who lived in Hillcrest.

Speaker 2: 00:58 If you’re a Judas priest fan, you recognize the name. When he came out as gay, he took a lot of grief,

Speaker 1: 01:04 four to a banner with a bright red heart in the words blood sisters.

Speaker 2: 01:08 Let’s just use, we’re a group of lesbians who in the early days of aids stepped up to donate blood for their sick gay friends.

Speaker 1: 01:14 In fact, there are many pieces of history at Lambda Archives that remind visitors about the aids crisis. For example, an artifact from Auntie Helen’s, a store in north park that originally helped people with aids do their laundry. It was run by local activists, Gary [inaudible].

Speaker 2: 01:33 They found a notebook that they thought they have lost and it just a notebook in which you wrote the names, addresses, and phone numbers of people for whom he was doing their laundry, doing their grocery shopping, get your dog to the vet and almost every entry in there has in the right margin. A note with a death date pass to the Lord. Ten six 86 I’ll love you forever, Gary. You know, next line, you know Bubba and just line after line. I think there’s 138 names in there and about 110 of them have death dates.

Speaker 1: 02:00 Meyer says something like that shows the history of the LGBTQ community much better than reading about it. In a book.

Speaker 2: 02:07 It’s mute testimony to the horrors of of the early days of aids and this poor man who is he himself is sick, is trying to take care of so many his friends and so many of their needs

Speaker 1: 02:17 men. What Meijer really likes best. This is the actual archive actual artifacts from local LGBTQ history.

Speaker 2: 02:27 We have banners, every dyke march, aids walk, et Cetera. We get the banners, we get the posters.

Speaker 1: 02:32 That includes a stop Larouche banner from 1986 opposing proposition 64 a state ballot measure backed by Lyndon Larouche that some feared would have led to quarantines of people with AIDS.

Speaker 2: 02:45 This was the no on 64 initiative, one of the many attempts to make life difficult for the LGBT community.

Speaker 1: 02:54 They also have yard signs from LGBTQ political candidates like Christine, Kiko, Bonnie Demanis and Steve Petia plus old gay bar signs like a stain glass window from Baucus House in North Park Club that close d hace 10 años.

Orador 2: 03:11 Identificó 168 bares gay que llegaron y se fueron en el pico en 1986 40 estaban abiertos a la vez y luego las ayudas climáticas pasaron factura o simplemente llegaron al punto de saturación como un vecindario solo puede soportar tantos tintorerías hasta que algunos de ellos tengan que cerrar. Uh, pero ahora tenemos unos 14,

Orador 1: 03:29 pero aunque las bibliotecas y archivos más antiguos a menudo reciben reliquias familiares, como fotos antiguas o artículos de periódicos o libros, Meyer dijo que eso no ha sucedido mucho en lambda.

Orador 2: 03:40 Y puedes imaginar que si, sabes, John Smith murió en esta familia, salió de Wisconsin para mirar sus cosas y encontraron cosas como esta que las quemaron.

Orador 1: 03:47 Eso es parte del desafío de ejecutar archivos LGBTQ cuando se trata de fotos y recuerdos más antiguos. Meyer dice que no hay tantos

Orador 2: 03:57 porque el mundo estaba tan cerrado en aquel entonces. Um, no tenemos muchas cosas realmente tempranas, verdad, de estos ochenta y noventa. Realmente, la mayoría de las personas no querían que les tomaran una foto en orgullo gay o en un bar gay. Podría arruinar tu vida.

Orador 1: 04:10 Por eso es importante almacenar lo que tienen y artículos de la historia más reciente para recordar a las personas en el futuro que la discriminación LGBTQ no estaba tan lejos en el pasado. Claire Triglyceride KPBS News,

Orador 3: 04:30 uh.
Orador 1: 00:00 Este año. San Diego Pride no solo celebra el 50 aniversario de los disturbios de Stonewall, sino que también saluda lo lejos que ha llegado el orgullo local desde el más humilde de los comienzos. Ahora, el desfile y el festival del Orgullo de San Diego atrae a más de 200,000 personas. Y una de las personas que ha estado allí desde el principio es Jerry Dill, quien ayudó a planificar el primer desfile del orgullo en San Diego y es uno de los grandes mariscales de la comunidad para el desfile de este año. Y Jerry, bienvenido al espectáculo. Hola, es bueno estar aquí. ¿Cómo fue la primera marcha oficial de orgullo en San Diego en 1979? Bueno, creo que debemos haber tenido unas tres o 400 personas. Nos conocimos en el centro en un lugar llamado Hobo Park, que ahora es un condominio, pero abajo, cerca del pie de Broadway. Caminamos por la sexta avenida, subimos al parque y tuvimos un pequeño escenario y tuvimos un par de oradores invitados, conocidos a nivel nacional.

Orador 1: 00:56 En realidad. Eh, Barbara se hizo, también, una pionera en el movimiento LGBT y Alan Spears, quien en ese momento era un senador abiertamente homosexual del estado de Minnesota, un senador estatal. Entonces, teníamos muy buenos oradores y, um, la gente simplemente se sentaba en la hierba y teníamos un picnic y cantamos algunas canciones y eso fue todo. ¿Fue difícil obtener un permiso? Uh, no, no fue tan difícil, pero sí, la ciudad de San Diego no tenía, no tenía una unidad de desobediencia civil como muchas otras grandes ciudades. Y esto fue en los años 70, donde se estaban produciendo muchas protestas. Entonces, cuando fuimos a, para obtener un permiso, y lo hice, soy nativo de San Diego, pero había estado viviendo en Filadelfia y había trabajado en un desfile allí y tenían, ya sabes, una desobediencia civil total departamento, pero no tenían nada de eso aquí en San Diego.

Orador 1: 01:46 Y así que fuimos allí y parecían un poco confundidos y les dijimos que queríamos tener este marzo y ellos, uh, finalmente lo descubrieron y tenemos un permiso ahora 75 fue unos años después del viaje de Stonewall en nuevo, sí, sí. Tenía 69 años corriendo ahora, ¿dónde estabas de nuevo en 69? ¿Y cuál fue tu reacción cuando escuchaste sobre el levantamiento? Bueno, en realidad todavía vivía en San Diego. Me mudé a Filadelfia en 1970. No creo haber escuchado mucho sobre eso aquí en San Diego. Pero cuando llegué a Filadelfia, que estaba más cerca de Nueva York, y eso también fue parte de mi política, comencé a ir a algunas clases de LGBT y conocí a Barbara, así que hay un líder conocido a nivel nacional y algunas personas de Nueva York bajó y dijo: ¿saben qué? Necesitamos celebrar estas marchas en todas las ciudades principales.

Orador 1: 02:33 Así que la gente [inaudible] en Filadelfia tiene que marchar. Dijimos mucho Así que participé en la planificación de la primera marcha en 72 y Filadelfia y, eh, marchamos por la calle ancha y la Plaza de la Independencia y tuvimos unas cinco o 600 personas. Así que eso fue una relación directa con Stonewall. Um, que mi primera experiencia y yo, como digo, realmente estaba más fuera como activista en ese momento. Ahora, ¿cómo era la atmósfera en aquel entonces aquí en San Diego para las personas que organizan y participan en el Orgullo de San Diego y voy a 1975, 76, ese tipo de, bueno, mucha gente pensó que estábamos locos, que nosotros iban a salir en público. San Diego tiene al menos en ese período de tiempo una reputación de ser una ciudad muy conservadora y simplemente, la gente estaba preocupada por su trabajo y cosas así.

Orador 1: 03:26 Y, eh, estaba trabajando en el centro en ese momento, así que no tuve que preocuparme por mi trabajo, pero, ya sabes, tratar de conseguir personas, primero todo para sacar la información. No teníamos, tratamos de hacerlo por radio y televisión y nadie nos entrevistó. Así que tuvimos que hacerlo principalmente de boca en boca, yendo a los bares y otras reuniones, lugares con volantes y hablando con la gente. Y, la mayoría de ellos nos miraron como, tienes que estar bromeando, no voy a caminar por la calle Broadway. Entonces, um, uh, pero logramos conseguir, oh, diría que más de 200 a 300 personas. ¿Ahora hubo una reacción violenta? No, no, no recuerdo que haya habido ninguna reacción violenta. Um, la gente en el Saul que bajaba por Broadway era un poco, no sé, divertido o, ya sabes, nunca habían visto algo así y no era como, ya sabes, como lo has hecho hoy con autos y carrozas y todo eso.

Orador 1: 04:22 Era solo un grupo de personas caminando por la calle con los letreros, letreros hechos a mano. Y entonces algunas personas animan a este Mo y la mayoría de las personas solo miraron y miraron y parecieron un poco sorprendidas. Ahora, ahora, hoy en día San Diego Pride es uno de los eventos más grandes en San Diego del año. ¿Cuándo comenzaron a cambiar las cosas con la comunidad en general apoyando el desfile? Fue una especie de cosa gradual. Es difícil determinar un año en particular, pero cada año se hizo más grande y mejor y, eh, uh, el estadio de béisbol Bell, tuvo algunas revisiones y ellos, debido a una carrera de rock and roll y todo, no lo hicieron quiero tener muchas cosas en verano en el parque. Así que ahora tienen una moratoria que va desde una fecha Morial, uh, hasta, um, día laboral que no, no, no pueden ocurrir nuevos eventos y uh, y no pueden ocurrir grandes eventos y tres grupos fueron abonados y uno de ellos .

Orador 1: 05:18 Así que eso te muestra que hemos estado ganando algo de credibilidad. Ahora que el festival del orgullo ha crecido y crecido, ¿le preocupa algún aspecto de ese crecimiento? Por ejemplo, ¿activistas en Nueva York? Me he quejado de que todos los patrocinadores corporativos del orgullo están diluyendo el mensaje real del desfile y el festival. Bueno, creo que es un problema en todo el país con el tipo de influencia corporativa. Pero no creo que hayamos tenido dificultades para escuchar en San Diego todavía. Y podríamos. Pero, tenemos regulaciones sobre qué tipo de persona corporativa puede estar en el desfile. Tienen que ser una empresa que retribuya a, por ejemplo, Qualcomm, uh, dona dinero todo el año para, uh, muy al centro y otras actividades. Entonces, y tienen una gran organización gay y lesbiana dentro de su propia compañía. Entonces, ya sabes, no lo hacemos, no permitimos que la gente entre solo porque van a vender algo.

Orador 1: 06:16 Pero, ya sabes, personalmente siento que si hay una compañía que respalda nuestros objetivos y está dispuesta a respaldarlo con contribuciones financieras, entonces creo que ellos, se les debe permitir marchar. Pero no lo hacemos, no les permitimos hacer publicidad, ¿sabes? Quiero decir, no es algo promocional para ellos. Ahora. La comunidad LGBTQ ha tenido tantos éxitos en los últimos años desde los derechos de matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo hasta un importante candidato presidencial que ahora es abiertamente gay con todos esos logros. ¿Por qué es importante que continúen los eventos privados? Bueno, ya sabes, ¿por qué es importante tener el desfile del Día de Colón? ¿Por qué es importante para el día de San Patricio? Quiero decir, es una celebración. Es, ya sabes, se ha convertido en un gran fin de semana de diversión y celebración, y también tiene un lado político. Uh, nosotros, vamos a estar, uh, destacando el hecho de que el gobierno no permitirá a las personas transgénero en el ejército. Entonces, todavía hay problemas que tenemos problemas políticos que tenemos que abordar. Uh, y no tanto como antes, pero uh, ciertamente hay cosas sobre las que tratamos de educar a la gente. He estado hablando con Jerry, no, uno de los grandes mariscales de la comunidad para el desfile del orgullo este año. Jerry, muchas gracias. Oh, de nada. El Orgullo de San Diego comienza oficialmente mañana a las seis con el espíritu del mitin en Stonecrest. El Desfile del Orgullo de San Diego es el sábado, a partir de las 10 para obtener más información sobre los eventos de orgullo, puede visitar kpbs.org.

Ponente 1: 00:00 Violines, trompetas, guitarras. Esos son los sonidos tradicionales del mariachi, junto con canciones sobre amor y desamor. Ahora, Amanda en Los Ángeles está creando un espacio para los músicos de mariachi queer. Reportero de estudiantes de USC, Hey Zeus Alvarado tiene la historia.

Orador 2: 00:18 Sin embargo, cómo te estás reteniendo está bien. [inaudible] es hora de ensayo. Samaniego es sunita tiene violín. Está en la sala de estar de la casa de un amigo y robó Ley. Trae pantalones chatroll. El pelo negro y liso está parcialmente a un lado y encima es un sombrero de terciopelo.

Orador 3: 00:41 [inaudible]

Orador 2: 00:42 Carlos es el director de Mariachi en Queens o Los Ángeles o Mariachi Rainbow, el primero de su tipo y del mundo.

Orador 4: 00:53 [inaudible]

Orador 2: 00:54 dijo, oh, ¿no sería genial si fuera como un juego viejo? Te dejaría ir ¿Puedes hacer eso? Entonces dije, oh mierda, ¿qué acabo de decir? Las gafas crecieron en Lausana. Hillis rodeado de música de mariachi. Escuchó a artistas exitosos como el nuevo Chavaya, un guardián y Roseo. Dorika

Orador 4: 01:17 [inaudible].

Orador 2: 01:19 Él también

Orador 1: 01:19 creció siendo un adolescente gay encerrado en los noventa. Me enorgullece echarlo del armario. Sí

Orador 2: 01:26 esa es su mejor amiga Natalia Meléndez. Ella es alta, tiene cabello rubio y él Colgate sonríe.

Orador 1: 01:32 Creo que es importante para todos en este papel tener un aliado, ya sea familia o amigos.

Orador 2: 01:37 Natalia Mccardles cuando eran adolescentes y ambos tocaban música con mariachi estaba en México. Ella lo ayudó a aceptar su sexualidad. Ella estaba en su propio viaje como una mujer trans. Finalmente, las gafas se fueron a Cal State, donde invitó a Natalia a ayudar a planificar el evento anual de orgullo del campus. Uno de los eventos iba a ser una boda simulada en protesta por el hecho de que el matrimonio entre personas del mismo sexo era ilegal. Todos sabían que yo tocaba Mariachi y me dijeron: ¿por qué no tenemos Mig porque este es un campus muy latino, Mariachi siempre está en una boda? De hecho, la idea de una incómoda banda de mariachis llamó la atención del gerente del club Demple, un club latino gay en Hollywood.

Orador 4: 02:22 [inaudible].

Orador 2: 02:22 Nos ofreció un trabajo, cómprelo en el acto, así que seguimos teniendo a mi papá Cciatica Edis. Después de eso durante unos meses, era realmente joven e inexperto y como director, por lo que se extinguió después de unos meses en el momento, las gafas en italiano pensaron en el chat de Madea. ¿Podríamos decidir llegar a su fin? Ambos se graduaron de la universidad. Natalia fue a trabajar a un laboratorio a extraer muestras de sangre, avisar al auto

Orador 5: 02:50 [inaudible] ¿se lo come?

Orador 2: 02:53 Por otro lado, se perdió, se mudó a Italia y siguió una carrera como cantante de ópera. Luego a Nueva York. Tocó el violín con otras bandas de mariachis, pero no aprobaron que fuera gay. El mundo del mariachi está muy al este, nuestra cultura mexicana es mucho la Pascua. Siempre escucharás comentarios como, Oh, sabes que no es un maricón, ¿o viste a ese maricón allí? Sentí que, bueno, entonces no puedo hablar con ellos, pero también sentí que era injusto, ya sabes, porque pueden hablar de sus novias o de sus esposas. Esa es la sensación exacta que inspiró a Carlos a encontrar su propia tribu y recrear Mariachi, ATPCO Edis en 2014 después de establecerse en La, necesitaba tener un lugar seguro para que los músicos de Mariachi que se identifican como LGBTQ plus se unan y ensayen e interpreten nuestra música. que tanto amamos, que es la música de mariachi. ¿Qué? ¿Libre de discriminación? Sin intimidación, sin burlarse de ti, puedes ser quien eres. Aquí en este grupo. El grupo está abierto a cualquiera. [inaudible] no hecho todavía. Actuando en el club temple. Ella es la primera persona a la que se le pide que se una al renacimiento de María [inaudible] hoy. Ella es el primer músico transgénero en la historia del mariachi. Es como un cuerpo externo

El orador 1: 04:06 me llena y lo tomo con tanta fuerza que a veces se siente más allá de mí. Amo mi musica. Yo amo lo que hago. Estoy tratando de ser un buen modelo a seguir y solo saber que puedo darle eso a alguien. Significa el mundo para mí.

Orador 2: 04:21 Ella recibe mensajes de personas LGBTQ que viven en zonas rurales de México que escucharon su historia y música en Youtube.

Orador 1: 04:28 Él quando [inaudible], Joe [inaudible], Joe [inaudible].

Orador 2: 04:35 Las personas escriben y le dicen cuánto significa para ellas que una mujer transgénero pueda representar a su comunidad a través de su pasión por la música.

Orador 1: 04:42 Si podemos trascender a México y podemos tener ese efecto en las personas de allí, independientemente de si no vivimos en México, les está permitiendo saber. Solo les está dando ese pequeño empujón de, oye, tal vez pueda hacerlo. Tal vez hay esperanza.

Orador 2: 04:56 Oh, eres [inaudible] Mario. Comenzamos con solo cinco músicos, incluidos Carlos e [inaudible], pero ahora se ha expandido a 11 todos los queer los nativos de ascendencia mexicana. Recientemente sacaron su primer álbum. [inaudible] Carlos quiere ir un paso más allá. Quiero nuestro Mariachi GD internacional, ya sabes, quiero que vayamos y viajemos por el mundo y actuemos en todas partes y estemos al mismo nivel que en términos de obtener los espectáculos que obtienen estos grandes mariachis vamos a obtener competidores [inaudibles] porque nosotros ‘ A pesar de ese calibre, aún necesitamos ser más aceptados dentro del mundo de logros [inaudible]. Pero antes de que lleguen al escenario internacional, Mario, Chuck, nosotros, estos continuaremos jugando todos los domingos por la noche al ritmo del club. Cuando todo comenzó, así como el orgullo del verano, las festividades. NLA soy misil Salvato y Los Angeles.

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